It's been quite a long time since i've blogged. So i thought i'd start over.
Ok, so, yesterday was Sathya's birthday party. A real fun affair. Went off quite well i presume.
But what i want to write about today is not the party, because i know that 80% of the whole grade(guys and girls) ended up there. But there was this one discussion that i found pretty hilarious.
So the party was over and there were some of us left there. I was hitching a ride in the Kalapuras' grand chariot. I should stop doing that, cuz the car was STUFFED. There was Mr. Aquila, Eric's mom, Rhea, Nirmal, Raoul, Eric and I, all stuffed into a car(NOT SUV). Felt quite bad about the whole idea, but nevertheless, i didn't seem to have much of an option to go home.
So our topics of discussion ranged from the 'vaccuum in between the penguin's legs' to 'religion'. The whole topic of religion always put a huge question mark in my head.
Does he/she/it exist? Ok to make life easier for both of us i'm going to call he/she/it - loser.
So why can't loser just show up? Is he a wussie? Too scared of the wicked bad world we live in? Kinda reminds me of nirmal =P. But the only difference is, i love nirmal. People claim to love loser, but HOW? You don't know loser. You CAN'T know loser. All the "i communicate with loser in my prayers" bullshit. If you can communicate to loser, i wanna communicate to my dead grandfather, who is at par with loser, TO ME. I don't see the difference. Just that, there would be some remnants of my granddad in front of his gravestone under that gravel.
People may say the bible is proof. I maybe a nobody when it comes to relegion, but for a fact i know that there exists more than 100 versions of the bible. Which to believe? "Follow the family line" thing is something that us mallus are born with and are forced to follow. But i'm sorry, the times have changed and even we have learnt to take independent decisions when it comes to faith. So now i'm a confused guy in this agonising world looking for a signboard that would direct me in a path which would do me and people around me some good. People say the bible is the answer 'son'. Read it and you will feel better. It adds meaning to your life. What meaning bullshit!! I tried doing so, and it was even more boring than blouds' speeches. xD
So many sects, groups, faiths, relegions, communities divided on the base of faith. To what end? A bomb? Few deaths? Riots? A debate on ndtv for more rights for ones faith? To me it all looks like a circus (another reason why i like britney spears' new album). Bunch of clowns trying to evoke emotions in the people watching. People say that god is the almighty one, the forgiver of all sins, the redeemer.. blah blah.. but what the hell is the jihaad for then? Why do people fight in the name of god? It's all a bloody self-contradictory hypocrisy.. this world. Why can't people just do what they have to in the short life they have instead of wasting half their life being scared of someone/something that is believed , NOT proved, to exist. It would make life so much more easier for everyone.
Song to listen to : I'm on a boat - Lonely Island ft. Lil Wayne.
PS: Feels good to be back!! =D
Ok, so, yesterday was Sathya's birthday party. A real fun affair. Went off quite well i presume.
But what i want to write about today is not the party, because i know that 80% of the whole grade(guys and girls) ended up there. But there was this one discussion that i found pretty hilarious.
So the party was over and there were some of us left there. I was hitching a ride in the Kalapuras' grand chariot. I should stop doing that, cuz the car was STUFFED. There was Mr. Aquila, Eric's mom, Rhea, Nirmal, Raoul, Eric and I, all stuffed into a car(NOT SUV). Felt quite bad about the whole idea, but nevertheless, i didn't seem to have much of an option to go home.
So our topics of discussion ranged from the 'vaccuum in between the penguin's legs' to 'religion'. The whole topic of religion always put a huge question mark in my head.
Does he/she/it exist? Ok to make life easier for both of us i'm going to call he/she/it - loser.
So why can't loser just show up? Is he a wussie? Too scared of the wicked bad world we live in? Kinda reminds me of nirmal =P. But the only difference is, i love nirmal. People claim to love loser, but HOW? You don't know loser. You CAN'T know loser. All the "i communicate with loser in my prayers" bullshit. If you can communicate to loser, i wanna communicate to my dead grandfather, who is at par with loser, TO ME. I don't see the difference. Just that, there would be some remnants of my granddad in front of his gravestone under that gravel.
People may say the bible is proof. I maybe a nobody when it comes to relegion, but for a fact i know that there exists more than 100 versions of the bible. Which to believe? "Follow the family line" thing is something that us mallus are born with and are forced to follow. But i'm sorry, the times have changed and even we have learnt to take independent decisions when it comes to faith. So now i'm a confused guy in this agonising world looking for a signboard that would direct me in a path which would do me and people around me some good. People say the bible is the answer 'son'. Read it and you will feel better. It adds meaning to your life. What meaning bullshit!! I tried doing so, and it was even more boring than blouds' speeches. xD
So many sects, groups, faiths, relegions, communities divided on the base of faith. To what end? A bomb? Few deaths? Riots? A debate on ndtv for more rights for ones faith? To me it all looks like a circus (another reason why i like britney spears' new album). Bunch of clowns trying to evoke emotions in the people watching. People say that god is the almighty one, the forgiver of all sins, the redeemer.. blah blah.. but what the hell is the jihaad for then? Why do people fight in the name of god? It's all a bloody self-contradictory hypocrisy.. this world. Why can't people just do what they have to in the short life they have instead of wasting half their life being scared of someone/something that is believed , NOT proved, to exist. It would make life so much more easier for everyone.
Song to listen to : I'm on a boat - Lonely Island ft. Lil Wayne.
PS: Feels good to be back!! =D
20 comments:
'Tis proved, friend.
Nishant :
Don't tell me the bible. Cuz i can't decide which to believe. Don't tell me Jesus, cuz everyone claims his existence in the 1st century. Don't say archaeological evidence cuz each parchment can be interpreted in SO many different perspectives apart from the one written on it. Apart from these, there are papers written by people, but they are written by people 15 or 20 years after the claim of existence of 'the messiah', 'the son of GOD'! Man i find it hard to believe, but again, this is personal. Each one to his/her own.
nice stuff man !!! seriously !!!!
What u've written makes perfect sense! There's not even a bit of proof that 'loser' exits!
Man, good writing, u should be scoring the highest in literature! :P
hmmm...
history tells us that one of the main guiding forces of humans is fear.. fear of something bigger and greater.. when strange or inexplicable things happen, we tend to account a higher force responsible for these events taking place.. thus it is human instinct to fear this force and respect it in hope for a better and safer life.. thus slowly religion came to being.. according to what ive studied, religion is nothing but a form of order to bring about obedience and fear in people, all in the name of the Almighty..
then ofcourse theres spirituality and faith in respect to religion.. to redeem and purify yourself and bring about the greater good in all and to fulfill the ultimate goal of reaching heaven and finally being with God..
then theres the debate of origin.. origin of everything we are aware of.. is science or God responsible? textbooks or the Bible..
honestly i think it all comes down to the selfishness of man.. he feared this supernatural force, and prayed only to fulfil his selfish needs of his safety and prosperity... fighting in the name of religion is again an excuse to use the name of God to gain something we want for oursleves.
religion as some of us see it today is tainted by human influences.
i believe it is something much higher, pure and free from all our petty visions and versions of what it truly is. it is the purest and simplest form of something we can never understand. and that maybe God, or the forces of nature, or the stars..
i believe.. i have faith. its my personal view ofcourse..
rightly said, Each to his/ her own :) but keep the faith mate!
*resh*
Resh!! Ok. I totally respect what you think. Can't say i didn't think about the fear element being the base of it all. But there are so many thoughts flooding in that one whole blog dedicated to this particular subject wouldn't be sufficient to cover even 10%. So yea.
I never said the Bible.
I just said it is proved.
And just a thought, I don't know why you trust science if you don't trust archaeological evidence. If you don't trust archaeological evidence, you don't trust that dinosaurs existed, you don't trust that humans evolved, anything. I don't know why you trust science if you don't trust parchments because Galileo and Euclid and Aristotle used parchments. They are some of the most concrete historical evidences for any theory.
And I don't know why you say God isn't the Redeemer and the Almighty Forgiver based upon jihaads and holy wars.
Sorry, but that's a lame argument. That's like saying "Governments don't exist because people disobey its rules and go to civil war."
When A and B fight in school, they are disobeying the rules, that doesn't mean the school doesn't exist.
In the same way, if people disobey the Word of God, and then blame Him, it's their fault, no-one else's. That really doesn't mean God doesn't exist.
"Does he/she/it exist? Ok to make life easier for both of us i'm going to call he/she/it - loser.
So why can't loser just show up? Is he a wussie? Too scared of the wicked bad world we live in? "
No, God is not a "wussie". In fact, God is here. You and others can't notice because you blind and deafen yourselves to Him. It's obvious. There is immense proof and evidence that God exists, but you choose to reject it. Science, if prodded long enough, will also start "believing" in other things like theories. Theories aren't proved. Why do scientists believe them ?
"All the "i communicate with loser in my prayers" bullshit. If you can communicate to loser, i wanna communicate to my dead grandfather, who is at par with loser, TO ME."
Sorry, again, but your dead grandfather is not at par with God.
Nobody is. Even if it is "TO YOU", it may not be true. What you say may not be true. What you believe may not be true. I may run around saying I saw a one-million feet tall ant. And then I'll say "TO ME", I did. Don't you think that's ridiculous ? To you doesn't matter unless it is the objective truth.
lol.. even before i got to the second line i knew this would be a touchy topic.. and i knew that Nish would be the first to have something to say..
okay boys, firstly im wholly christian and still strong with the faith. but being liberal allows me to be open to both views.
Matt, you not believing in something or someone does not allow you treat it like something impersonal. you have to remember that this is a senstive topic and you should respect and consider others personal beliefs as much as you do yours. this is putting science and history away, but just analyzing pure human psychology..
arrogant as a race that we are, there are some of us bold enough to question.. and in this case question the existence of something we cant see or feel, something so far beyond our control. okay this may be one way of looking at it.. but do you question the existence of love or any emotion? all are intangible.. sure you might have experienced them, so hence you have every right to belive in it. but in the same way, there are those who have experienced a feeling..
like how love is a connection, they too have made a connection with something greater and beyond our power, faith is that connection.
again, its all about how our mind functions. it is in our nature to be arrogant and stubborn, which pushes us to believe that we have every right to deny the single most powerful exixtence, that overrules our own, that it is beyond our control, and that angers us. and so every bad thing, everything right that goes wrong, and everything that this faith promises to bring about, all seems like a farce. why should one belive when the evidence of eveything that this faith professes is diminishing day by day...
which is basically what Mathew is arguing?..
so now the question is believing in His existence, or the reason of His existence? alright, if He does exist, justify the hellhole that the world has become?
you view everyone who believes in this faith as weak or ridiculous, wasting time praying when theres theres a logical and practical way to solve your problems, right?
Nishant, there are two kinds of people. when they are both put in a difficult place, one instantly finds faith and has a strong belief that He is there to help you get through this, and what happens, happens for the best. then theres another kind, who finds that blaming this faith is the easiest way to go about the problem. to find fault in Him, whether through death, or a heartbreak, or a tough outcome, etc.. and ive just explained above as to why he would feel this way.
so its simple, you would fall in catgory A and Mathew in category B.. that just being an example, but both handle situations differently. some get through tough times with faith, some over a shot of vodka.. but neither should be in any position to judge the others healing process.
as bizarre as that may have sounded its the simple truth.
once again i think it all boils down our human psyche, we percieve things differently and when you cant agree on something, its easy to point fingers and to question facts or beliefs, our curiousty is often misleading.
what may be a miracle to one, may just be a coincidence to another..
and that is that my friends :)
*resh*
"No, God is not a "wussie". In fact, God is here. You and others can't notice because you blind and deafen yourselves to Him. It's obvious."
God is anything but obvious.
"Even if it is "TO YOU", it may not be true. What you say may not be true. What you believe may not be true. I may run around saying I saw a one-million feet tall ant. And then I'll say "TO ME", I did. Don't you think that's ridiculous ? To you doesn't matter unless it is the objective truth."
God and the ant are exactly the same.
God does not exist just because you have faith in his existence.
"Don't tell me the bible. Cuz i can't decide which to believe. Don't tell me Jesus, cuz everyone claims his existence in the 1st century. Don't say archaeological evidence cuz each parchment can be interpreted in SO many different perspectives apart from the one written on it. Apart from these, there are papers written by people, but they are written by people 15 or 20 years after the claim of existence of 'the messiah', 'the son of GOD'! Man i find it hard to believe"
God does not not exist just because you don't have proof.
But its only more rational(not irrational) to believe in things that are proved rather than disbelieve things that are not proven.
Example: anyone can claim that his or her horse is fluent in several human languages. You can either not believe him until you hear words coming out of this horse's mouth or you can believe him until someone proves it otherwise. But there really isnt any way to disprove it either..
Therefore the skeptic perspective is a more rational point of view.
So you can either not believe in God until he smites you with all of his glory or believe in him until disproved. You can either be the skeptic or the hopeful believer. Neither is wrong, one is just more logical than the other.
"God and the ant are exactly the same.
God does not exist just because you have faith in his existence."
False, there is proof God exists, not the ant.
The skeptic point of view is not rational in the way that if God does exist, the penalty is laid upon the skeptic's head. If God does not exist, and one believes in Him, there will be no immediate or any disappointment as death is the ultimate cease of consciousness.
The above case represents an ultimatum, a complete plan B, a fallback, a guarantee. You may argue that it is an undignified way of living, or etc, but there is no defined way of living either. I, however, understand and accept the pristine divinity that exists within us, as creatures of Creation. And that is the ultimate proof.
You may have experienced an apple and thus believe it exists, but one starving may think that it is illogical for apples to exist, as it has not played any physical role in their lives.
An objective truth is only concluded by direct evidence, and I pride myself to have had glimpses, and yet all of that evidence. That contact is through faith, and through faith is acceptance, and through acceptance is redemption.
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"""Even if it is "TO YOU", it may not be true. What you say may not be true. What you believe may not be true. I may run around saying I saw a one-million feet tall ant. And then I'll say "TO ME", I did. Don't you think that's ridiculous ? To you doesn't matter unless it is the objective truth."
God and the ant are exactly the same.
God does not exist just because you have faith in his existence.""
That point of mine was not to endorse an argument, but a demonstration to prove that the subjective truth is not always the objective truth.
Naturally, one thing MAY not exist just because one has faith in its existence, but by the acceptance of evidence, one accepts truth. It is no longer a hypothesis when evidence is provided.
Ok. SO this post was a post that was literally forced by me out of myself just to revive my blogging habit. Didn't mean to kickstart an outflow of sensitive feelings. You guys are free to debate about it n all. But i'm really sorry if i hurt anyone's feelings. Just forced something out =S =S!
"The skeptic point of view is not rational in the way that if God does exist, the penalty is laid upon the skeptic's head. If God does not exist, and one believes in Him, there will be no immediate or any disappointment as death is the ultimate cease of consciousness."
Pascal's wager(the argument you've put forward) holds true if you assume that there is only one God to worship. Suppose you've decided its better to believe in God because of the above statement.. which god do you worship?
There's Zeus,Allah,Jesus,The Norse Gods and Goddesses,Waheguru,Ra or Yahweh and countless more.
Its a totally different case from what it seems. From a dilemma you've made it a polyemma(if that word exists :P).
If you choose to worship one God instead of another and if you've picked the wrong one you would share the same fate of the atheist after going through "an undignified way of living, or etc,"
"I, however, understand and accept the pristine divinity that exists within us, as creatures of Creation."
If the universe cannot snap into existence then even God needs a creator.That process goes into infinite regress.You can never answer who created the creator. Creatures are the not the ultimate proof of creation,or a creator. They are only proof of a predecessor.
"False, there is proof God exists, not the ant."
The proof of God's existence is as verifiable as you telling the world that a million feet ant exists.
"You may have experienced an apple and thus believe it exists, but one starving may think that it is illogical for apples to exist, as it has not played any physical role in their lives."
Illogical is the wrong word, but i get what you mean. And the one starving is completely right in asking the burden of proof, to be proved; he has no reason to accept the existence of an apple if it cannot be logically proved to him.
"An objective truth is only concluded by direct evidence, and I pride myself to have had glimpses, and yet all of that evidence. That contact is through faith, and through faith is acceptance, and through acceptance is redemption."
Conclude your truth.Show me your evidence and ill accept your redemption. Until then ill reject your acceptance and deny your salvation(not the creep deny :P).
Both science and religion require you to take a giant leap of faith to understand how the universe came into existence.
One makes that leap or gap bigger after that acceptance, while the other works towards making it infinitesimal, no matter how long it'll take.
God does not answer questions, he erases them.
Well, things are becoming clearer and clearer! Wohooo!!
There is proof God exists. There are people who were alive 50 years ago and some of them well known who have defied the laws of "normal" science. There was a mystic whose life is enough to reinstate the belief God Exists.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therese_Neumann.
One of the basic principles in all religions is to love thy fellowman. However people have forgotten that fundamental rule so how can they even try to oppose those who have different faiths.
Another question. Even the quantum science has proved that the world we live in is all but shadows
Sir Stanley Eddington - "In the world of physics we watch a shadowgraph performance of the drama of familiar life. The shadow of my elbow rests on the shadwo table.... It is all symbolic and as a symbol the physicist leaves it.... To put the conclusion crudely THE STUFF OF THE WORLD IS MIND-STUFF" Science has also now asserted not only that the atom is energy rather than matter, but that atomic energy is essentially mind-stuff.
Regarding God has not come to end the sorrows of the world is because of the simple fact he exists inside you as your soul which is unblemished and all-knowing, and all-seeing. The thing is that we have a habit of labelling a spiritual experience as God from ABOVE intervening, and thus we fail to recognize this. The only way to truly worship God is not through rituals, but by humbling oneself which is one of the procedures in religions.
Well i think I should be stopping now. If you wish to further speak to me about this; you have my number.
Plus Bill Bryson has also said in a Brief History of nearly everything that Scientists only believe what they want to believe.
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